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Arnaud: Re feelings about the site, membership, the rules
Hi Arnaud.
This is in response to your questions about my feelings about the site and about your confusion regarding my statements a couple of messages back.
Regarding MLE, I appreciate having this resoruce available free of charge. I get to meet people like you and have conversations like this one. Normally exceedingly rare opportunities, this site has made them a daily experience. I have to be careful that my work doesn't suffer while I play with my new friends.
It only makes sense to me, then, that anything I can do that will support MLE is a pleasure and a way to show my gratitude. It also benefits me because the more people who are attracted here, the more new people I can meet. The more engaging the site is, the more people will want to buy Gold memberships, and that will also support MLE, but it will also mean more people who may want to give me their e-mail address. So no matter what I think or what I do, supporting the rules and supporting the site benefits me.
There are a lot of people who object to this hierarchy of gold and regular members, and I understand. Segregating people into groups based on money is really uncomfortable for the people in the lower group. Most of us are capitalists, and we're used to that, and I really can't complain, even if I don't like it. But practically, it doesn't matter to me, because I'm getting so much as regular member. I'm not missing out on anything. I hope that, whatever I'm unable to contribute in financial support, I can make up by being here regularly and helping to keep the place fun and engaging.
I've seen people break the rules, and their messages get posted, and that's great. But if someone gets kicked off for that, I don't want it to be me. I don't mind bending rules once in a while, since enforcement is casual, and moderation won't hurt anyone. But if we get so greedy that users see no benefit in supporting the site financially, we'll either lose the site, or the management will have to get strict. We don't want that.
So periodically, when I meet someone like you who makes particularly good conversation, I'll offer a puzzle, one I know can be solved (as it's been solved before), and one whose solution contains a prize I hope you'll enjoy, having expressed some interest in receiving it. I put such a puzzle in that message that you found confusing. All you need is there if you can sort it out and are comfortable using a web search engine.
Otherwise, there's always the boards, which work very nicely, and they have the advantage of being able to attract others to join our conversation.
Je suis désolé, que je ne parle pas votre langue merveilleuse, mais sí hablo bastante bien el español, que he estudiado unos cinco años, más o menos.
Hasta luego!
Mark
Sacramento, CA
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Re:Arnaud: Re feelings about the site, membership, the rules
> There are a lot of people who object
> to this hierarchy of gold and regular
> members, and I understand. Segregating
> people into groups based on money is
> really uncomfortable for the people
> in the lower group.
>
The objections are not necessarily
about money only. I have had a phase
in my life when even the six dollars for
one-month membership would have been
a large sum to spend, but even so I would
have been bothered much more with the
lack of suitable paying methods than the
price itself. I do not know what the
situation is worldwide, but in Finland
credit cards are mostly available only
for people with a long enough record of
steady income, which bars out most of the
young and eager users of the service. On
the other hand, checks and electronic
transfers have so heavy surcharges that
the actual transferred price drowns in it.
I wish this service were a vending
machine into which people could feed
notes and coins. A paying method
approaching that idea would make this
service much more accessible for people
who get now excluded beacuse of technical
hindrances.
Puti
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Re:Re:Arnaud: Re feelings about the site, membership, the rules
Wow! I had no idea at all.
Do services like Pay Pal address this problem at all? Is it possible to become a Gold member by mailing a check through the paper mail system?
Has anyone brought this concern to the notice of the management? I have been very impressed with the thoughtful, rapid replies I have gotten from Dan Yuen on many occasions when I've sent e-mail to the "contact us" Link.
Even though this is a moderated board, I have no reason to beleive that they read much of what we write, even when it is obviously related to the management of the site. But I have complete confidence that Dan will give me meaningful answers to anything I address to him directly. If you haven't brought this up with him, I certainly hope you will.
Thank you, as always, Puti, for the light you shed on all of our conversations. It's always delightful when I notice that there's a response on the board from you :-D It's a sure sign I'm about to learn something!
Warmest regards,
Mark Springer
Sacramento, CA USA.
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Re:Arnaud: Re feelings about the site, membership, the rules
Greetings Mark,
Today is my first day on this site and your reply was one of the first I read.
I felt compelled to reply and state that I found your reply very tactfully and kindly put.
As a new member I too hope to uphold the standards and guildlines that the site request all to follow.
Since I have chatted Internationally quite a bit. I must say I do find that the "money" topic can be a roadblock for many. But, if they view it as you have stated in this reply? Simply being a standard member until such time as they are able to upgrade to a Gold member (If this is even a goal or neccessity) is a good way to view it.
Being able to just help others, speak to others Nationally is such a privelage!
I look foreward to conversing with you and many more friends!
Have a great one until next time!
Warmest Regards,
Mark
Helena, Montana
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Re:Re:Arnaud: Re feelings about the site, membership, the rules
Konnichiwa Mark,
Welcome to MLE. I look forward to getting to know you.
It's very funny, I saw your introduction and it caught my eye for a number of reasons. First, of course, was the very sensible first name you were wise enough to receive, I assume, from your parents. Next was your last name, which is the same as a respected colleague of mine, Caroline Pickrel (though I'm sure she spells it with only one l. You don't have a sister-in-law attending university at Sac state here in California, do you? One' who hasn't learned how to spell her husband's name right yet maybe?
Were that not enough to attract my notice, it so happens that I lived in Montana for two and a half years some time back, I guess from 1986 - 1989. Not in Helena, unfortunately, but I did have the inexpressible pleasure of visiting the city. I will never forget the breathtaking beauty of coming into town on the highway from Great Falls to see this Edenic oasis of the plains you call home. You're a lucky guy Mark. I hope you'll e-mail me some pictures some time.
So by this time, I'm really leaning toward dropping you a reply, if for no other reason than just to say "hi" and "welcome."
And then the very next message above that is also from you, and it is addressed to me.
At this point, I'm beginning to wonder if this is a mere coincidence, or one of those synchronous things. We're even about the same age. What's up with that? Not that it matters; I figure it'll be a pleasant ride in any case.
That said, I'm delighted you enjoyed my post. You'll find I'm quite the big mouth around here. I have a lot to say, and I'm not so good at making it concise. I figure if I spray enough buckshot ideas across the board, one or two eventually have hit a target for somebody.
I'm jealous of your decision to study Japanese. I came within a hairsbreadth of studying it myself once, but at the last minute opted instead for Mandarin Chinese, which I expected would be more useful to me here in California. I've never regretted the decision, but I do find Japanese a lovely language, and all the more enticing now that I read and write Chinese and have a leg up on written Japanese for that. When I invent my "time enough to do everything I ever wanted" machine, Japanese will be high up on the list of things I'll finally get to.
Well, welcome again, and thanks for the note. Think of me next time you get out tubing :-)
Shalom,
Mark Springer
Sacramento, CA
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Re:Arnaud: Re feelings about the site, membership, the rules
A puzzle? In fact, I have just visited your own website but it has seemed empty with no information available. Then, I have gone through your university's website. There was some information; I have read some of your thesis about how introducing an essay... not entirely because it costs me too big an effort to read such a long article. After wandering through the web, I have made some research, writing your name as a clue to reach your would-be prize I do not know what it consists in. Maybe your puzzle is too difficult for me... Nevertheless, I think I am not far from the solution. I go on my research...
See you...sooner
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Puzzling puzzles
¡Cielos!
That sounds terribly unrewarding, and very poorly planned on my part.
I went ahead and fixed that. It's really terrible to make you go so far and receive nothing for your efforts.
Please accept my sincerest apologies.
Talk to you soon,
Mark Springer
Sacramento, CA USA
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